Thread: WHO'S MORE IMPORTANT THE PRODCUER OR THE MC??

shit, without each other they both would'nt be much of anythang. 50/50 is my vote today but if you asked me about 1987..I would soooo say the producers!! cuz they were the fuckers with the cheese then not the MC's!! it is what it is!!






p.s. ..FUCK THE CORPORATE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^ I agree with both of you.

They are 2 sides of the same coin. A nice beat attracts you into the song, and the lyrics make the song stick in your mind.

Yet, I feel like people rely to much on the beat. Some people wont give the MC a chance if the beat isn't to their liking. Which is wrong in my eyes because that artist might have hardcore lyricism.

Originally Posted by T.R.A.F.F.I.K

I SAY 50/50... And if you agree, ask yourself why why rappers aren't charging producers more often

unfortunately quality beats come at more of a premium due to demand being greater than the supply. way way too many emcees...way too many great lyricists. there will never be enough beats.

For me I think it's 60/40 in favor of the MC... maybe even 70/30. An MC's voice/ flow etc. can bring just as much to the table as the beat does and combined with the fact that the MC brings the lyrics too gives them the edge IMO. For a rapper that's purely lyrical I agree with 50-50 but for someone with a great flow and voice like z-ro or brotha lynch hung usually I don't even remember the beat the first few times I hear the song. Like this song for example... the beat is pretty weird I wouldn't call it good or bad really but the way z-ro raps over it makes it one of my favorite songs of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9TONZQ8Yro

In the late1980's the MC was most likely also the producer, which is why you see them still producing and not rapping
also the owner of the song or the artist gets the say on which beat to use
MC>>>>>>>>Producer, just ask Nas cause Illmatic beats were bad

in today's mainstream world its the beat, real MC's can make it work regardless of a good or bad beat

well i would have to say 50/50 in most cases but their are times when i like a song even if da beat is bad as long as da lyrics are good then eventually da beat grows on me for example cannon if it wasnt for lil waynes awesome lyrics dat beat was so annoying i wouldnt have even liked da song
im more likely to give an artist a chance if he does a verse over another beat i like so its hard to decide and dey both need eachother
in conclusion artists get more fame, and producers get more money put it together and u got fame and fortune

I've always been amazed from how producers work...
Looks easy to the people that don't know...

Damn...anyone ever seen Dallas Austin's crib?

Originally Posted by ChrisG4

I've always been amazed from how producers work...
Looks easy to the people that don't know...

yeah when im in da studio my friend makes da beat before we start recordin (hes 17 as of last week but hes been workin wit protools for years so hes a beast)

he makes it look so easy but its really confusing da difference is i know wat i want and when i know wat i want he got me makin beats wit my mouth and hummin tunes lol but its fun to come up wit beats while he makes him i wish i could get into producing i might get fl studios 8 but is da free version good enough cuz i dont wanna buy it

Originally Posted by Deandre_Houston

yeah when im in da studio my friend makes da beat before we start recordin (hes 17 as of last week but hes been workin wit protools for years so hes a beast)

he makes it look so easy but its really confusing da difference is i know wat i want and when i know wat i want he got me makin beats wit my mouth and hummin tunes lol but its fun to come up wit beats while he makes him i wish i could get into producing i might get fl studios 8 but is da free version good enough cuz i dont wanna buy it

at least he ain't fucking with Fruity Loops....god damn it I hate Fruity Loops producers...

DJ'ing is a great way to get into producing... buy an MPC and piano and mess around, if you're serious move on to bigger things....its all one great big challenge that won't come easy

Originally Posted by ChrisG4

at least he ain't fucking with Fruity Loops....god damn it I hate Fruity Loops producers...

DJ'ing is a great way to get into producing... buy an MPC and piano and mess around, if you're serious move on to bigger things....its all one great big challenge that won't come easy

i've seen some pretty tight complicated beats on fruity loops before u just gotta know how to use it

and im not serious about it i just wanna do somethin when im bored im only serious about rappin and finance

Originally Posted by Deandre_Houston

i've seen some pretty tight complicated beats on fruity loops before u just gotta know how to use it

and im not serious about it i just wanna do somethin when im bored im only serious about rappin and finance

lmfao, that's an odd combo rapping & finance

Originally Posted by ChrisG4

lmfao, that's an odd combo rapping & finance

lol i know but i've always liked math even when i was like 4 i used to add up da whole grocery bill whenever my mom and i would go to giant (eww i hate english though)

Originally Posted by Deandre_Houston

lol i know but i've always liked math even when i was like 4 i used to add up da whole grocery bill whenever my mom and i would go to giant (eww i hate english though)

if Algebra was a person I'd destroy them....I fucking hate math....

Originally Posted by ChrisG4

if Algebra was a person I'd destroy them....I fucking hate math....

so i suppose u like english then
i guess wit me i like to do stuff wit one possible answer except its weird cuz when it comes to music and writing short stories im good at it but when it comes to reading comprehension i suck at it
then again gucci mane's best subject worst subject was english (duh wit his country alabama accent) so i guess it doesnt apply and he graduated wit a 3.8gpa

Originally Posted by Deandre_Houston

so i suppose u like english then
i guess wit me i like to do stuff wit one possible answer except its weird cuz when it comes to music and writing short stories im good at it but when it comes to reading comprehension i suck at it
then again gucci mane's best subject worst subject was english (duh wit his country alabama accent) so i guess it doesnt apply and he graduated wit a 3.8gpa

History & English were my best 2 subjects apart from electives & P.E.
I finished math with maybe a C+ I never failed it, I just didn't like it

Gucci do the dishes, that's why he finished with 3.8

ANYWAYS, bring this school talk to chat thread if you want to discuss, no more off track. I feel like Captain Planet cleaning this site up

Originally Posted by ChrisG4

History & English were my best 2 subjects apart from electives & P.E.
I finished math with maybe a C+ I never failed it, I just didn't like it

Gucci do the dishes, that's why he finished with 3.8

ANYWAYS, bring this school talk to chat thread if you want to discuss, no more off track. I feel like Captain Planet cleaning this site up

k but i think erreone on TTO pretty much agrees its 50/50 so yeah...

Chat Thread Sir.......

depends on the MC

Originally Posted by GingerbrEad

shit, without each other they both would'nt be much of anythang. 50/50 is my vote today but if you asked me about 1987..I would soooo say the producers!! cuz they were the fuckers with the cheese then not the MC's!! it is what it is!!






p.s. ..FUCK THE CORPORATE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree.

depends on the Mc and the producer.. If you have a Mc like Big L or Kool G rap the Producer really don't need to do much cuz they will shine no matter what. Then some Mc's have made classic albums cuz of the beats like Group home's first Album, if it wasn't for Premo's Sick beats those dudes would be just a bunch of wack rappers.

Fuck A Beat

Id rather hear someone spit some dope shit over a wack beat then heat some Stanky leg shit over a dope beat

But then again im old school

the MC is >>>>>

everyone stfu

they are both important

cause neither will get payed without the other...

thats y i produce my own shit

i get all the endz

a dope producer can make an average, or even wack rapper sound great

examples:
DJ Quik's production for chingy
Rick Ross' entire career

holl up

chingy wrecks

tha fuck u talkin?

Originally Posted by THRILL

holl up

chingy wrecks

tha fuck u talkin?

word? ive only heard him wreck a few verses ever

Fightin In The Club
We Got
Get Down

mayne u sick?

holiday in
1 call away
i do
right thurr <<<always gonna be tha shit nomatte what.. chingy is just raw

i mean marketable voice and style.. wreckin.. etc...

and pullin me back was the damn shit

i did a cover with that beat

Originally Posted by THRILL

mayne u sick?

holiday in
1 call away
i do
right thurr <<<always gonna be tha shit nomatte what.. chingy is just raw

i mean marketable voice and style.. wreckin.. etc...

snoop and luda wrecked holiday inn more than chingy

jason weaver on the hook >>>>>chingys verses on 1 call away lol

right thurr was thoed, ill give you that, but then 50 and g unit dropped their version and killed it

50/50, give and take. If you have a shit mc, but a sick dj, it might be listenable but it will still be shit.